just wait until the intel version of osx 10.4 finds it's way into the PC users machine, then they might have something different to say.
i'm not a huge fan of intel by their track record, but i think apple is making the right move... IBM isn't cutting it anymore.
The rumor is that there is a torrent of the intel version of 10.4 (tiger) somehwere... i can't wait to install it on all of the windows my family members have.
Frankly, I've love to see an x86 version of MacOS that will run on a standard ATX compatible PC. That would rock. Knowing Apple, however, they will likely make it so that it only works on their system boards, which happen to use an intel processor and chipset.
The 'toon is funny, though, even though I'm a computing atheist. About the only thing I have not played with on a sysadmin role is a mainframe, such as the 360 series and their ilk. unix? been there, do it in my free time. WIndows? That's my paying job. Mac? That's my hobby.
Amusing as cntrl+alt+del is, it's written by a gamer, not a geek. Come on, this is a cartoon where the linux bod is shunned for using linux and windows is praised openly, seemingly only cos there is a better selection of games.
Actually these days it is fairly l337 h4X0r to run windows. Last week I did an installation of windows and linux, dual booting on my home machine. Install times, linux, 20 minutes, everything installed, everything configured and working, office suite installed, mp3 player, firefox, everything present and correct. Stick disc in, press enter, enter pasword, wait 20 minutes, login. Done. Windows, install time 5 hours and counting (I gave up in the end, too much hassle when linux is already working). 1 hour to install windows, half hour to phone windows product activation line, get an antivirus on it, realise I've already picked a trojan even though I haven't connected to the interwebs, pull modem, run full system scan, install firewall and firefox, install SP2, rebooting about 3 times during this. Load windows, connect to windows update, wait 1 hour to download and seperately install patches and updates, reboot about 5 times. Install office, download patches, reboot about 3 times. Still haven't got graphics/sound/bluetooth etc drivers loaded. install drivers to get a viewable and workable(ish) system. reboot system, go online, download 100mb+of drivers. install, reboot about 3 times. Never use it again. I only installed the damn thing because my mp3 player has sync software that I haven't found a linux equivalent for yet. One day windows will be ready for the home user, until then I recomend ubuntu or OSX
Agreed. That's why up until last year around this time, I was still using windows 98se, because I did not want (or need) the three days of downtime that it would eventualy cause.
When I have to re-load a machine at work, it takes a full day, and that's starting from scratch. fortunately, i have image software that makes the process a lot less painful.
Mac has its simplicity in its genius. As one of my more intelligent coworkers (who uses a PC) notes, Macs are used pretty much exclusively by the bottom 5% and top 5% of intelligent creatures. But before all you M$ haters knock OS X too much...
Put two and two together. Apple switches to an x86 processor and brings its product at least in theory compatible with PC hardware, geeks start hacking OS X and illegitimately tri-booting it with Windows and their favorite Linux. Suddenly, we see copies of OS X on the retail shelves for PC's. Microsoft shits themselves, files all kind of lawsuits... but for what? For a competitor that has probably the best chance of anyone in the world of breaking M$'s dominance of the desktop OS market?
Be careful what you wish for, all ye who bellow "Down with Microsoft!" :)
Anyways, OSX being available to more users is a good thing. My first reaction when watching the keynote was "fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck" but now that i've thought about it... I'm actually really excited.
However, that does put a damper on repairs and replacements for older machines, but that's the way the technology world works... my company included.
I'm afraid of more users of OSX meaning more viruses and whatnot. The thing I've always liked about my TiBook is that I've never gotten a virus for it. If more people start using it, would more people try to attack it?
There may be a small increase but nothing nearly as bad as XP. While the safety through obscurity does exist, the OS is inherently more secure from a developement stand point.Mac OS is hybrid GUI/OS that sits on top of BSD, the most bullit proof OS out there. More than half of the servers in the world are *nix and its MS who still has all the security issues with DDOS, worms, viruses, and other poorly implimented security measures. UNIX is a fully developed and mature OS that gets patched really quickly provided an exploit is found. It takes MS months to do that.
Apache runs about nearly 70% of all the web servers out there.Most of these run one "some flavor" of unix. I would guess that about half of those are running some varient of BSDi (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, or NetBSD).
I highly doubt that mac worms will trend upward if it gets into wider avilibility, unless apple does something _really_ stupid with the code.
i told you to have faith brother... i think in the end a lot for good than bad will come out of this. It will be a lot smoother transition than the OS 9 to OS X move. Also, I've read reports of the 3.6 P4 out performing the dual 2.0 G5 in some iLife bench marks. Now put 2 P4s together...
OSX is the way to go, jokes or no jokes. Any operating system which needs 20-30% of its memory resources to be reserved for protecting its own butt (spyware, antivirus and patches) should be shot. (Win)
(Can't tell I switched over, can ya?) Nice to go home to a computer which "just works" and works extremely well.
Hrm, lets see. Including AVG and even Firefox in my protecting-my-own-butt count, I'm still only using 6.25% of my system resources for protection. I have a hardware firewall (Win2003 box configured as gateway) and some intelligence regarding what not to download and open, and hey, look, a WinXP box with nearly no downtime? amazing.
Sadly, most Windows users are not as savy as you are. Of all the AntiVirus programs (MCafee, Norton and AVG), AVG has the smallest footprint. Surprisingly for the price, you'd think more people would be using it. Firefox has also a smaller footprint than IE, again, more people are starting to use it, but IE is just the standard. WinXp (fully patched) is the most stable Windows platform with Windows 2000 being in 2nd place (if they are patched).
Some people are now using Spybot or AD-aware in their "cover their butt" scheme, so now add those into the 6-20% (tech estimate for those using Mcafee or Norton) and you have a larger #. My personal feelings is on OSX you dont need to spend valuable memory on these items, thus my post, 6% is 6% too much. With no downtime and a clean system you are one of the minorities in the Windows world, sadly. Many people are out there with zombified and spam-enabled machines and don't even know it. Why? Because up until 2000/xp everyone on windows was an administrator equivalent, not so on OSX.
I use Microsoft AntiSpyware, but that only runs at about 5AM every morning and shuts down automatically. :P Same with AVG. I don't have Scan-On-Run online, but it autoscans every day at 10AM.
I've seen places offering a full spyware-virus scan for something like $70, and I kinda feel sad. Being only 18, and with no education just yet in the universe of IT, I can't get a job that would let me help those people.
So for now, I just do it for free for people who need it. 8]
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Date: 2005-06-14 02:52 pm (UTC)just wait until the intel version of osx 10.4 finds it's way into the PC users machine, then they might have something different to say.
i'm not a huge fan of intel by their track record, but i think apple is making the right move... IBM isn't cutting it anymore.
The rumor is that there is a torrent of the intel version of 10.4 (tiger) somehwere... i can't wait to install it on all of the windows my family members have.
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Date: 2005-06-14 03:24 pm (UTC)The 'toon is funny, though, even though I'm a computing atheist. About the only thing I have not played with on a sysadmin role is a mainframe, such as the 360 series and their ilk. unix? been there, do it in my free time. WIndows? That's my paying job. Mac? That's my hobby.
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Date: 2005-06-14 05:09 pm (UTC)its official... pepsi out the nose. thanks.
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Date: 2005-06-14 08:23 pm (UTC)that could be done by now, i'm a coke drinker...
bow down steve... bow down.
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Date: 2005-06-14 02:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-14 02:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-14 03:04 pm (UTC)"Oooh, I'm leet because I can run Windows XP! Linux and OS X are the sux0rs!"
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Date: 2005-06-14 03:16 pm (UTC)Last week I did an installation of windows and linux, dual booting on my home machine. Install times, linux, 20 minutes, everything installed, everything configured and working, office suite installed, mp3 player, firefox, everything present and correct. Stick disc in, press enter, enter pasword, wait 20 minutes, login. Done.
Windows, install time 5 hours and counting (I gave up in the end, too much hassle when linux is already working). 1 hour to install windows, half hour to phone windows product activation line, get an antivirus on it, realise I've already picked a trojan even though I haven't connected to the interwebs, pull modem, run full system scan, install firewall and firefox, install SP2, rebooting about 3 times during this. Load windows, connect to windows update, wait 1 hour to download and seperately install patches and updates, reboot about 5 times. Install office, download patches, reboot about 3 times. Still haven't got graphics/sound/bluetooth etc drivers loaded. install drivers to get a viewable and workable(ish) system. reboot system, go online, download 100mb+of drivers. install, reboot about 3 times. Never use it again. I only installed the damn thing because my mp3 player has sync software that I haven't found a linux equivalent for yet.
One day windows will be ready for the home user, until then I recomend ubuntu or OSX
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Date: 2005-06-14 03:27 pm (UTC)When I have to re-load a machine at work, it takes a full day, and that's starting from scratch. fortunately, i have image software that makes the process a lot less painful.
Unix is teh bomb.
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Date: 2005-06-15 12:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-14 03:39 pm (UTC)Put two and two together.
Apple switches to an x86 processor and brings its product at least in theory compatible with PC hardware, geeks start hacking OS X and illegitimately tri-booting it with Windows and their favorite Linux.
Suddenly, we see copies of OS X on the retail shelves for PC's.
Microsoft shits themselves, files all kind of lawsuits... but for what? For a competitor that has probably the best chance of anyone in the world of breaking M$'s dominance of the desktop OS market?
Be careful what you wish for, all ye who bellow "Down with Microsoft!" :)
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Date: 2005-06-14 03:49 pm (UTC)I don't see a lawsuit if that's true.
Anyways, OSX being available to more users is a good thing. My first reaction when watching the keynote was "fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck" but now that i've thought about it... I'm actually really excited.
However, that does put a damper on repairs and replacements for older machines, but that's the way the technology world works... my company included.
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Date: 2005-06-14 04:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-14 05:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-14 07:17 pm (UTC)Apache runs about nearly 70% of all the web servers out there.Most of these run one "some flavor" of unix. I would guess that about half of those are running some varient of BSDi (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, or NetBSD).
I highly doubt that mac worms will trend upward if it gets into wider avilibility, unless apple does something _really_ stupid with the code.
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Date: 2005-06-14 08:09 pm (UTC)but again, i'm not a virus expert, that's just my take on the majority of these things.
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Date: 2005-06-14 05:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-14 07:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-14 08:03 pm (UTC)(Can't tell I switched over, can ya?)
Nice to go home to a computer which "just works" and works extremely well.
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Date: 2005-06-15 12:27 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-15 04:26 am (UTC)Hrm, lets see. Including AVG and even Firefox in my protecting-my-own-butt count, I'm still only using 6.25% of my system resources for protection. I have a hardware firewall (Win2003 box configured as gateway) and some intelligence regarding what not to download and open, and hey, look, a WinXP box with nearly no downtime? amazing.
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Date: 2005-06-15 01:30 pm (UTC)Some people are now using Spybot or AD-aware in their "cover their butt" scheme, so now add those into the 6-20% (tech estimate for those using Mcafee or Norton) and you have a larger #. My personal feelings is on OSX you dont need to spend valuable memory on these items, thus my post, 6% is 6% too much. With no downtime and a clean system you are one of the minorities in the Windows world, sadly. Many people are out there with zombified and spam-enabled machines and don't even know it. Why? Because up until 2000/xp everyone on windows was an administrator equivalent, not so on OSX.
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Date: 2005-06-15 05:50 pm (UTC)I've seen places offering a full spyware-virus scan for something like $70, and I kinda feel sad. Being only 18, and with no education just yet in the universe of IT, I can't get a job that would let me help those people.
So for now, I just do it for free for people who need it. 8]