pronunciation

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

So what is up with microsoft changing the pronunciation of words? Or is this just a regional thing?

How do you pronounce it? Is it VIH-stuh with a long I, as is the proper pronunciation of the word -- or do you say "VEE-sta" with a short I sound?

See, agents in this center I work in use VEEsta. I don't understand why. That's not how to pronounce the word. To wit: See the Dictionary definition.

Vista. Bollocks to that. I won't use it any time soon. But this? This is a pet peeve.

Why yes, I can occasionally be petty and small. Why do you ask?

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[aic-weirdo.livejournal.com]

Is it VIH-stuh with a long I, as is the proper pronunciation of the word -- or do you say "VEE-sta" with a short I sound?

Slight confusion: the way it is written, it looks like "VIH-stuh" is a short "i" sound, and "VEE-sta" is a long "e" sound.

Wikipedia (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vista) gives the IPA symbols for "vista" as /'vɪstə/. The "i" in that is like the one in "bit." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-close_near-front_unrounded_vowel)

dictionary.com looks like it's using something close to IPA, but no exactly. Definitely a short "i" (like in "bit") that they're going for, and I've never heard "vista" pronounced differently. :\

[xforge.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Vista can bite me until at least SP1. And idiots that can't pronounce simple product names can bite me too. We have a system called Concierge and you should hear all the bad pronunciations. It's CON-SE-AYRJH, people, Jesus! (Actually I go like CawSeAyrjh, but never mind that.)

[xforge.livejournal.com]

Oh, forgot to say - VIH-stuh.

[wyldthyng.livejournal.com]

I'm with you. VEEsta is acceptable if Spanish or Italian (or MAYBE French, but that's a stretch) are your first languages. Otherwise it's time for a grammar refresher. I had a coworker that was doing it, but he's a diva so it mostly made me laugh.

Ooh here's a thought - refer them to a sound byte online from Mr Gates somewhere? If there's anyone who should be the foremost authority, it's the creator.

I'm in Western Canada btw.

And yes, "trivial annoyance" is my middle name ;)

[pope-guilty.livejournal.com]

I would guess that since it's Spanish, it's pronounced "vee-stah."

Since it, you know. Spanish.

[jon787.livejournal.com]

I'm going with VIH-stuh.

Now a better question is how to pronouncer route, router, routing, etc., I've had a few arguments over that one.

[wyldthyng.livejournal.com]

I've always heard ow, like rhyming with powder, when it comes to router. Routing... rooting's the way I say it.

Hmm, never thought of that, and I'm the grammar nerd.

(western Canada here :) )

[methedras.livejournal.com]

On a related note, I have a similar thing here in the UK with people calling a "router" a "rooter".

Being an aussie, I can't help but stifle a laugh when I hear em say "rooter".

[ravenshrinkery.livejournal.com]

I'm with the others, unless you're calling it "Ventanas Vista" you should be pronouncing the term with a short i.

(Not that even they would be correct about the matter, but we've become accustomed to needless Spanglish.)

[canray.livejournal.com]

"Linksies" is that one that I hate.

Like it's so hard to say "Link-Sys". *Shakes Head*

[kallell.livejournal.com]

I was gonna nitpick that myself

[canray.livejournal.com]

Perhaps they don't dare to pronouce it properly in fear of getting some on them?

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

I LOLed! Thank you ;)

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

good man! er ... whatever you are.

I usually go with "rOWter" but "rOOHter" is ok too if you're from canada or england or some such.

[hisamishness.livejournal.com]

That makes more sense than anything else so far...

[forge.livejournal.com]

thakfully I have yet to hear it pronounced as "veesta". The moment I do someone is getting a tall glass of beat down.

[trayce.livejournal.com]

I know of more than one person who shot themselves in the foot in job interviews (back when I was at C0nnn3t.com when it existed) because they said "rooter" when talking about Ciscos and whatnot.

[torkell]

VIH-stuh, not the abonimnation that is VEE-sta. If it were meant to be VEE-sta, then it would be written Veesta.

I *have* to add this one...

[jecook]

::sing it to the tune of the "Roto-rooter" jingle::

Get a cisco Rooter, that's the name!
And away go your packets, down the drain.
Cis-co Roo-ter, Cis-co Roo-ter...


Courtesy of my boss from when I worked at [ISP]. We are both aussie/brit fans, and had a good laugh with that one.

[agentdanak.livejournal.com]

bill gates pronounces it VIH-stuh. i had to listen to him for an hour today :P

[brothersterno.livejournal.com]

I've heard the american accent saying "rowter" and British, Australian, and NZ accent saying "rooter", cuz, if you take a route to to the root of the problem it sounds the same, but if you take a route to the root through the router to the rooter, why should router and rooter sound different?

[politas.livejournal.com]

I've never in my life heard a native English speaker use a long "i" sound in the word "vista" The i is the short on as used in bit, wit, it, sit, fit, etc. The a is a schwa. And I completely agree about the confusing attempt at phonetic spelling.

[guinevere33.livejournal.com]

Don't know about you, but I pronounce both "router" and "route" with the OW sound in the middle (i.e. not like "root"). Calling the networking device a "rOOHter" just reminds me of plumbing disasters (http://www.rotorooter.com/residential/).

OTOH, maybe it IS all a series of tubes and that's entirely appropriate...

[guinevere33.livejournal.com]

I've so far heard two people call it Veesta, and I want to smack them both. Granted, one's native language is Swedish. However, his English is damn near perfect, so he still has no excuse in my book.

[ghostdandp.livejournal.com]

I get linski all the time. Really bugs me. "I need you to replace my linski router!" "Uh, which one is that, I only see a linksys"

[ghostdandp.livejournal.com]

I think it's a dialect thing.

In new enland a route, as in a highway, is often pronounced root. For example "you take root 95 to 111 passing over root 33"

So for someone to ask me to fix there router said rooter doesn't phase me.

Re: I *have* to add this one...

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

*LOL* that is rich. Thank you!

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

oh thank god. he finally did something right.

[brothersterno.livejournal.com]

me too, but I think about it each time.

[captpackrat.livejournal.com]

I spent half my life in Vista... California, that is. It's pronounced VIH-stuh.

[dukesnorre.livejournal.com]

In Norway, it gets pronounced sort of like rooter, but with our U sound. Are you saying there's some other pronunciation? :-P (fwiw, rute can mean path, square, plaid, or window(glass). Probably why it's easy to use that pronunciation when relating to route and router, rather than the one from rout.)

[jdotmi.livejournal.com]

Actually, that's just an oddity with american english in general. "Route 66" is typically pronounced "Root 66". Where is "Please select an alternate route for your commute" would have the word rhyme with "grout".

So not a new england thing.

[circe77.livejournal.com]

Eff windows! Linux all the way :-D

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

you're the man.

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

that would fly if you're in the UK. I take it you're not?

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

well yeah. Of course. Still, if you HAVE to pronounce it ...

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

yeah, I hate that one too. It does happen form time to time. But in this office it's not nearly as common as VEEsta.

[circe77.livejournal.com]

I'd say VIH-sta ;)

[fuzzyr.livejournal.com]

Actually, given that it's a borrowed word in English, the proper pronunciation is VEE-sta, but the English pronunciation is VIH-sta. I go with VIH-sta, knowing that's not correct.

Re: I *have* to add this one...

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

oh, that's hilarious. Thanks for sharing.

Only Tangentially Related Dept: Once when I was a kid I had a great idea for a replacement jingle for roto-rooter. I sent it in, they thanked me a couple weeks later, didn't use my idea, and sent me a tshirt.

a ROTO ROOTER tshirt.

I don't think I ever wore it.

Re: I *have* to add this one...

[jecook]

::awards you 50 style points and a Red Mushroom::

Re: I *have* to add this one...

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

ROTFL! thank you ...

[sabishi.livejournal.com]

It's a dialect thing. This is something linguists have looked at extensively. Have a look at a dialect map for route (http://cfprod01.imt.uwm.edu/Dept/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/q_26.html).

I had a phonology professor from Seattle, and he pronounced it like "root" no matter what the context was.

[spooforbrains.livejournal.com]

What's a schwa?

[spooforbrains.livejournal.com]

I'm intensely annoyed by "Sequel" for SQL when referring to anything other than Microsoft SQL Server.

Also Lienucks.

Argleargle.

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

it's a sound.

the sound "uh." For example, the vowel sound heard at the beginning of the word alone. The schwa is represented by the symbol /a/ and any of the vowel letters (lettuce).
www.educationoasis.com/curriculum/Reading/glossary_reading_terms.htm

[anamacha.livejournal.com]

*chortle*

[politas.livejournal.com]

A schwa is the "uh" sound, commonly indicated in phonetic symbols by an upside down "e". It's the "e" in "the ball"